I finished reading the latest document dump last night, and I must say it left me like this
. There was a lot of stuff I didn’t expect to see. Those entomology reports were there, although, I’m thinking there was more to those, and we just saw part of that. At any rate there were Coffin Flies in the trunk of the car, and that means it wasn’t pizza in the trunk, or any rotting garbage, it was Caylee. Caylee was in the trunk of that car, and there is no doubt. She was there and she was decomposing in there. I also noticed from this report that the insects tell a story that completely supports Caylee’s remains being in the trunk for a few days, then being at the site, and then being submerged under water, thus delaying the life cycle of some of these insects. This totally blows Todd Macaluso’s statement that someone else placed the body there while Casey was in jail. NOT!!! I knew he was just running his mouth and this proves it.
Now I have to say that while the charts and graphs and evidence lists were a lot to go through, especially the chemistry. A lot of that, you’d have to be a chemist to understand. Although, I did my best. At any rate that pesky Gatorade Cool Blue bottle with the unknown substance and the syringe was finally revealed to us, as to what the contents were. That particular item has bugged me for a long time. I really felt like it had a play in Caylee’s death. It was just a gut feeling and until this document dump had not been addressed, except to be on evidence lists. This bottle was found in the Wonderful World Of Disney bag, that was with her remains, and that bag had had diapers and such in it. The shocker
, it contained chloroform and a steroid(testosterone), along with a syringe, and a needle (used), and these items contained the mixture. Of course the packaging to the needle and syringe were there, but they were used. It looks to me as though by the time this goes to trial they will have a “cause of death”, poison. She injected her with poison, duct taped her mouth and threw her in the trunk where the child in her last moments of life, put herself in the fetal position, and passed on. Thus the picture of the small child in the fetal position in the trunk. The decomposing body fluids in the carpet left this image, and while they may not use it, it explains it. Some of you have brought forward that this little cocktail mixture is used for sex. I’ve read all of that, and I can honestly say that to me if Casey is that perverted, and shallow, she’s just pure evil.
What’s amazing to me is that Casey went through with this elaborate, diabolical plan, and was stupid enough to leave the evidence behind, from the car to the scene, she left a trail. She even started the trail with the computer searches and the lies. She has herself so caught, it’s just amazing.
Now, I must say that there is a lot of evidence we still haven’t seen, for one, they lifted latent prints from those items and others, and we haven’t seen those results. I saw a lot of things tested that there were no results for. We got just enough in this round of documents, to show us that what Casey’s defense keeps saying is all bogus. Caylee was in the car and then those woods, she was not moved to an additional, undisclosed location, by a mystery person, in between. Her remains again, were proven to have been under water for a time. Therefore, Jose Baez, Andrea Lyon, Todd Macaluso, and Linda Kenney Baden are telling tall tales, and they know it. I think this is why those particular motions were filed before these documents came out. You know the ones, where they want the indictment overturned as they have no defense. Trying to have the DP dropped again. That’s the bottom line…….They have no defense, and they played this all wrong. Mr. Baez and his gang, banked on that baby’s remains, and all the evidence left with her remains never being found, and it was a bad call. They should have plead this out a long time ago, and now that window of opportunity has been closing.
Now I think it’s clear why the A’s needed a cruise at that time. Not defending them mind you, but I can see why they needed to get away. I hope they enjoyed themselves, and the tats, George’s earrings, the new fashion and hair styles, and all of the extravagant living, because the gig is just about up. When this case is over, I don’t think the media will give them the time of day, and the money will dry up, and then they have to live with themselves.







Oh, I think the media won’t be done with them. I see them on their own stinky reality show. Or on Celebrity Island. You know they’d do it.
Hey Sophie! LOL!
I can see them going for that. I hope the media won’t oblige, but alas, you could be right and they probably will.
My gut still tells me that Caylee’s ankles and wrists were bound with duct tape and Casey’s prints are on those pieces of tape. I have read that those bones (ankles, wrists) were missing. Terrible, terrible to imagine. I doubt very much that the media would have any interest in G and C once this case is resolved.
Hey Paula! I guess that’s possible. It is terrible to imagine.
I hope you are right about the media.
Great post as always Nicey. Thanks for going through all that dry scientific stuff for us.
I am still puzzled about the testosterone in the mixture. Where did she get it and why add it to the chloroform? I’ve heard that the pro Anthony blog secondbreath says this proves a man did it. I think it is certainly something the defense (such as it is) can throw against the wall.
Speaking of the defense the reason they did not plead early on is because Biaez is running this pony til it drops dead……….PUBLICITY.
One last thing I’d like to say to my friends on the board. The behavior of Cindy and George is indefensible. The lies the tampering with evidence is out there. And their behavior has earned them (justifiably) much disgust and condemnation from the public. However, don’t sink to their level and make comments on their appearance…….it demeans our outrage and Caylee.
Hey September! Thank You!!!
I can see them trying that. We can only hope the prints tell the tale. I do believe they have them.
I agree about Baez and the publicity.
I agree about C&G.
Hi Niecy, Great post. What tells you that the remains were underwater and for how long??? Love your insight!!!
Hey Pat! Thanks!
http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/1106/21539770.pdf
Page 23. Also if you remember Faye went through that summer and that area, according to many sources, including Tim Miller was flooded. Also, at one point I found the real estate listing for that particular piece of land and it is classified as “wet land”. I have a pic of it somewhere. I will look, but it was flooded for months.
That makes total sense. thanks
You’re welcome!
“She injected her with poison, duct taped her mouth and threw her in the trunk where the child in her last moments of life, put herself in the fetal position, and passed on.”
I think that may be exactly what happened and seeing it bluntly stated like that paints a picture in my mind that I can’t erase. My only hope is that picture is burned into Casey’s mind and that nightmares of that scene along with the frightened eyes of her baby haunt her all the way to the center of hell.
I agree Mystery, completely. It is a horrid picture and Casey has to be a complete monster to have done such a thing. I do see now why they brought the DP back.
Yes, no question about why, and I agree that they have even more. It would be great if it was a clear print that belonged to none other than our girl, Casey.
Yep! I hope they can transfer it to wallpaper and paper her cell with it. I can clearly see in the evidence that there is much more that we haven’t seen, yet just from what we’ve seen, to me it pretty much tells the tale.
I don’t know how the Anthonys will live with themselves after trial, but they’ve been able to pull it off so far, rationalizing that it’s all for Casey’s sake. George doesn’t want his daughter in prison for years. It just doesn’t make them look like good parents.
But I suppose they will have promises thrown their way in regard to appeals and such which will give them hope…not hope for the truth and justice, but hope that all they’ve said and done so far to spin and twist has not been in vain.
If there is a reality show, I would hope it would cover their church and their friends—those who have supported the Anthonys and believed in them—misguiding them, imo. It would be interesting to hear how their church blows off all that LE has found to be true.
shhhh i hear cindy screaming, coffinflies means nothing!
Hey Ideas! I do agree that they have pulled it off so far. In part it is because of their good time friends, who will all disappear when the well runs dry. At the end of the day when the case is over and the money is no longer an issue, the good time friends will find other things to leach off of.
Yes, they say it’s for Casey, yet they have done her more harm than good, and they don’t even see it. I hope there is no reality show, and you are right that their friends have misguided them. What a shame for them.
LOL! Mikka!
I think I heard that!
Followed by it was the pizza!
Hi Neicey, wonderful post as usual, what happened with the evidence that BOZO claims that someone else killed Caylee and threw her in the woods! lol I guess there still looking for someone to blame….
BOZO always claims that KC is innocent! (YA right)
Hey TAS! Thanks! Well, (LOL!) it seems as though these last few doc dumps have rather disputed that one.
I think the argument is sunk. I’m sure they are still looking for someone else to blame, but don’t think it will fly. I guess they need to put a muzzle on Todd.
I’m still uncertain how Florida Sunshine Law works. Nicey you indicated that some of the evidence is incomplete. If they have the information and are not simply waiting for test results Who controls what is withheld, the defense, the judge or the prosecutor?
September, They are not supposed to be able to violate her right to a fair trial, that I know, as to who is responsible for the discovery, maybe this will help:
http://www.countyjudges.com/articles/96discov.htm
That explained discovery and I did this a while back to explain the Sunshine Law:
http://niecey456.wordpress.com/2009/06/29/what-you-should-know-about-the-sunshine-law-the-evidence-in-caylees-case/
September…
KC could have been using Chloroform laced with Testosterone for sexual enhancement/endurance…it is popular with the club scene…Testosterone is readily available among this group…there are also many derivatives
of it…low doses are also found in some Birth Control pills… Pill Plus being one… this is to increase the female libido..so you see she could have gotten it most anyplace in her group of friends.
It is injected by the way…used by both male and female…has nothing to do with Body Building…SEXUAL PLEASURE IS THESOLE PURPOSE.
Hi there Niecey, All I can say that these docs paint a horrific picture in greater detail at Caylee’s last moments of her too short life. It is so sad. IMO, I believe KC injected Caylee as she had done so many other times but this time placed that duct tape over her nose and mouth to make sure this time she wouldn’t wake up again and precious Caylee suffocated until her poor little heart stopped. Caylee was in KC’s way. Because of course according to KC’s warped mind she had a better chance of staying with Tony L. and Caylee would not interfere with her life with him. And also to get back at Cindy Anthony as well. I remember Leonard Padilla saying that KC lives her life ten minutes at a time, which is why she thought she could murder her child and still be able to kill Caylee and according to her own wicked way of thinking still be able to live happily ever after. And then oh yeah figure out how to explain this whole missing Caylee thing. UNBELIEVABLE!!! Needless to say the Ant’s will continue on their “cover up tour.” The information on the trunk were incredible in those reports. I cannot believe how the Ant’s would continue to say that they believed they thought that either KC and Caylee were in the trunk when George was at the towyard. To try and say that KC was in danger too, they obviously think that we are stupid to swallow that one! They knew KC could not possibly be in that trunk when they were told at the office at the towyard that the car had been there since June 30th, and we all know Cindy Anthony had been in contact with KC via text and Lee talked to KC on July 3rd! Give me a Break! I wish they would stop lying for KC once and for all! The suffering that Caylee went through and being discarded like trash is heartbreaking! Everytime the Ant’s lie to cover for KC’s evilness is like discarding Caylee over and over again. I know God is seeing to it that Justice coming swiftly to baby Caylee.
JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE!!!
Still praying for you Niecey, my Friend!
NIECEY, ( & EVERYONE ELSE: JILL, OSTELLA, MIKKA, MAND, SPACELY, JOHNINFL., MOTHERCLUCKER, ITSAMYSTERYTOME, ‘HUMBLE’; ETC., ETC.) IF I LEFT ANYBODY OUT, I’m ‘TERRIBLY’ SORRY!! ( YOU ARE ALL, ‘INCLUDED’!!) I KNOW, WE’RE ‘SUPPOSED’ TO: “TURN THE OTHER CHEEK”!! BUT, THIS IS AN/ ‘TOTAL’ OUTRAGE!!!!!!! ( OF HOW “SATAN’S SPAWN”/ “CRAZEY” CASEY; MURDERED GOD’S ‘ANGEL’/CAYLEE, ‘IN COLD BLOOD’!! ) MAY I LEAD US ALL, IN:”CASTING THE FIRST STONE??!! IT IS ( & WILL ‘TOTALLY’ REMAIN!!) ‘INCONREHENSIBLE’; OF HOW “CRAZEY” MURDERED ‘ANGEL’ CAYLEE!! I MEANI KNOW HOW, BUT, I LIKE YOU WOULD: NEVER,NEVER,NEVER, ETC., IN A MILLION YRS. MURDER, MY OWN:”GIFT FROM GOD”/ MY BABY!! THAT’S JUST DOWNRIGHT ‘EVIL’!!
I THINK, ON TRIAL DAY/ ‘JUDGEMENT’ DAY, FOR “CRAZEY”!!
) THE PROSECUTION SHOULD REALLY REMIND THE JURY; OF WHAT “CRAZEY” DID!! ( JUST SO SHE COULD BE ONE OF :”SATAN’S WH**ES!!:(
) And, if ANY OF YOU WATCH THAT ‘CUTE’ SHOW ON THE DISNEY CH.: “PHINEAS& PHERB” YOU KNOW THEY HAVE A ‘NAGGING’ SIS; NAMED CANDACE. ANYWAYS, I’d just like to ‘QUOTE’, what Candace, says to her brothers; to “CRAZEY”: “YOUR GOIN’ DOWN!! DOWN, DOWN, DOWN!!!!!!!!!!
) “TOTAL/”GOD’S JUSTICE”, for ‘ANGEL’ CAYLEE!!
TINA-
Tina! Well said!!!!
(P.S., ‘ANGEL’ CAYLEE: MY HEART ACHES, & BLEEDS FOR YOU!!) I KNOW, ( W/OUT A: ‘SHADOW OF A DOUBT’, MIND!!) ON JUDGEMENT DAY; GOD WILL SAY TO “CRAZEY”: “WHY DID YOU MURDER YOUR ‘BEST’ GIFT, EVER; I GAVE YOU??!!” “CRAZEY”, WILL TRY TO LIE, OF COURSE!! ( So will: Cindy,”CON-ARTIST”, ‘C$$$”!!, ‘CRAPOLA’, & ‘GEORGINA’, ‘GOTTA-BE-SPINELESS’…GEORGEGINA!!, “GOT-NOOOOOOO- VOICE”!! GEORGE!! & LEE: “GOTTA- LAUGH- LIKE- THE- ‘JOKER’, THAT I AM!! INmore ways than ‘ONE’, MIND!!) GOD WILL REMIND THEM ALL: “REAMEMBER, I SEE, KNOW, HEAR ALL THINGS!! YOU CANNOT LIE TO ME!!” TINA-)
Hiya my l♥velies
We are missing heaps of information that certainly would not still be “work in progress” .. eg Mark Hawkin’s deposition, missing sequentially numbered pages from reports and of course many that have been redacted.
The prosecution MUST give ALL discovery to the defense, both inculpatory {causing blame} and exculpatory {clearing of guilt or blame.}
We know that the defense does not have to disclose its methods prior to trial BUT ♥Judge Stan has given them until the 1st of Feb 2010 to disclose their “so-called”exculpatory evidence.
Will we be privvy to this under the Sunshine Law or do you think this will be kept “secret” until the trial?
Colour me confused
Hugs ♥♥♥
Mand….with the combo of testosterone and chloroform for sexual pleasure, do you know of other side affects?
Would it increase Casey’s emotional explosiveness or warp her thinking for a time? (Like hang-overs) Is there addiction with this?…Casey was desperate to get clubbing.
With the amount she may have she injected Caylee, would it be intentionally beyond the dosage she herself would get for clubbing?
Hey Mand! Thank you for explaining that! I cannot wrap my mind around it. Unbelievable. I noticed that Ideas asked you if it would cause Casey’s behavior to be different. I believe you explained to me that it would alter her behavior. Could you explain this to Ideas?
Hey Nancy! Yes they do. I believe you are right, and that explains why Caylee began to have the dark circles under her eyes and the hollow, unhealthy look. I agree the duct tape rather shows this was intended to be the final time. Yes, I think in her twisted mind she really thought she could get away with it and live La Belle Vita. She thought she was getting away with it until her mother insisted on seeing Caylee. I completely agree about the cover up tour, and I think you make a good point about how they thought both could be in the trunk. They did know better. I do agree it’s as though they discard poor Caylee again and again. Justice For Caylee is coming.
Thank you for the prayers. I always need them. You are such a good friend. I pray for you as well.
Hey Tina! I think you summed that one up! Well said!!!
I agree Nancy.
Even the P.S. Tina, you nailed it. You are right God knows everything. You cannot lie to Him.
Hey Jill! We agree, you can see a lot of things that were submitted for testing, the forms are there, and the results are not. I also believe there are some depos and interviews missing.
I believe the prosecution has handed over virtually everything, that is why I believe the defense is responsible for what you don’t see. I think they have till that date to turn it over, but I would think they are required to show it or give it at a hearing? That’s what I think. I don’t think they have it. I understand your confusion. I’ll look back at how that’s worded.
HUGS!!!
Hey Ideas! Good questions. I asked Mand to clarify those points for you. She’s been studying up on it for us.
Good mornin everyone!
I have a tentative theory about the testosterone-laced syringe. I think she swiped it from Ricardo, who had used it previously for sexual purposes. She filled it with her evil concoction and injected it into her baby to kill her. The duct tape and sticker were symbols of satisfaction at the finality of getting rid of her. The needle was sealed inside that bottle, protected from the elements, to implicate somebody else– namely, Ricardo. Remember Cindy saying Ricardo and Amy did heroin?????
This is just a tentative idea, and all feedback is appreciated….
Don’t know if you have ever heard this 911 call:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58yfyC1f_2Q
It is from Jesse Grund about KC having a seizure in November 2007.
The discussion about the gatorade bottle, its contents, and the syringe have got me to thinking:
We know she was a sex fiend so the use of the chemicals to increase pleasure seems the most likely explanation. It has always seemed weird to me that she would choose to utilize chemicals to kill Caylee when the duct tape alone would probably have been enough.
I have spent the last week listening and watching virtually everything connected with this case (which is how I ran across this audio). The consensus of the friends’ interviews and depos seems to be that KC was a fabulous mother and mother-figure until late into 2007, when she picked up a new group of friends and started to change. The old group didn’t notice many changes other than sudden drug usage, but mostly because she stopped communicating with them and what little they had was all lies.
So, I am wondering if she started using the chloroform concoction or some other experimentation which resulted in her having a seizure and somehow damaging her mentally to the point she finally killed her child.
I would never attempt to defend KC or her actions, but there does seem to be a shift in her behaviors and patterns directly following this seizure.
Good Morning Ostella! I do think if they blame anyone, it would be Ricardo, because of the chloroform entry on his myspace. I saw that they requested latent prints on that, but the results weren’t there. I think they are Casey’s, but if anyone else handled it, well, they could have prints there. If she wore gloves, then I’m thinking that would somewhat sacrifice prior prints. JMO.
Hey Spacely! That’s very possible. I do think because of the lying and stealing that she had issues to start with, but if you remember Annie said she told her that she needed to go away(to a mental facility), that she felt as though she were losing it. It’s possible that whatever wasn’t quite right to start with was blown out of proportion by the drug us. Chloroform from what we have seen is basically poison. This makes a lot of sense.
Yay! I can finally see avatars again on both your and Mystery’s sites! I did a full sweep, and I guess it worked! Yippeee!
Yaaay! I’m glad! You have to clean out the old stuff sometimes. One of those computer things.
Hello everybody. I LOVE this site. Every time I come here I learn something. Thanks for keeping me up to date. You are are excellent writers! Now, IF I may make one very critical observation? Do you have pets?? I do, and mine are the most adorable, loyal, loving creatures ever. S please, stop referring to that MONSTER as an animal. I tried and could not find one decent characteristic I ascribe to my pets(real animals)that could be applied to CA……or any of her evil relatives for that matter. thanks. Peace. Jackie-Marie
Hey Jackie! Welcome!!! Thank You Very Much!
You are so welcome. Thanks for your observation.
I try not to refer to her as an animal myself, but I don’t think that anyone that does meant any harm by it. She is a monster. I do agree that animals are nicer.
Hi ya Niecey and everyone! Great post!!! I am going to agree with itsamystery too! I believe she injected Caylee with the concoction and that was it! I also believe Caylee spent some time in the back yard of Hopespring drive, just because the dogs hit there. If you read it, says Caylee was bagged, bagged again and then in the laundry bag. I think she bagged her in the plastic bags the day of and that she was just transported in the laundry bag when she decided to move her. This was the reason for backing the car to the house.
I am to the point where I feel that death by lethal injection is quite appropriate for Casey at this point!
Hey Humble! Thank You!!!
I think we agree on this one. I think she was attempting to bury her in the backyard, and changed her mind. I do think she had her back there. I do think that was the reason for the shovel and backing the car into the garage.
I also see the reason for the DP and I agree that it is appropriate for the State to ask for it.
Ideas…
The combination drug of Chloroform and Testosterone is not addictive in the manner that we associate addiction ..such as Meth..Coke or Heroin…but the want to use it is up to the individual…those in the Club Scene use it when they are out Clubbing…as a rule…it does cause the user to experience euphoria…it can change the mood of the user…some can become mildly aggressive and some will do things they might not otherwise do…remember KC urinating in the parking lot in front of everyone????
As for the dosage…if she were to have injected Caylee with the amount she would use of course it would be an overdose…it would not take much to put a child under…this syringe could have been made up with more Chlor. and the Testosterone was in the bottle a small left over amount. They make this stuff up themselves …thus the reason KC was doing the research…to buy it from someone can become expensive…more so if one has no job!! So what I’m saying is she could have custom mixed it for Caylee.
Chlor. was used as an anesthetic til the mid 50s but proved to be to unpredictable thus it was discontinued. But remember tho that the product the Club Scene uses is homemade so they can make it as strong as they want and lace it with whatever is in at any given time.
Sorry to be so lengthy…Mand.
I read that testosterone is naturally occuring in some chemicals when mixed to create chloroform. I don’t know whether I read the words, “naturally occuring” or a “by product”. I didn’t get the idea that evidence at the crime scene isolated testosterone or that it appeared separately.
Mand is right-chloroform is used in place of the date drug but apparently works the same way. Students in many middle schools were using Viagra to get high and not for anything else to the best of my knowledge. It was one of those drugs that had east home access.
Way back in the 1920-30’s it was used to put cats and dogs asleep (euthenasia). Anyone who wanted some just had to go to the local pharmacist and ask for some. It is not sold atc for about 50 years.
Just listened to Mike Brooks and he said that the testosterone was used in performance enhansing drugs and that Casey could have been using T to pump up or to work out. Would they have been added to the drug to silence Caylee?
We have not gotten back the latent fingerprints or any fingerprint reports but all agreed on Mike Galanos’s program that if the fingerprints are Casey’s than the circumstantial case is nearing the “slam dunk” phase.
Too bad that the DA will not be able to offer Casey a plea deal at this juncture. Will Jose come to court with the mystery killer’s name? They had better get the DP off the table or risk their legal careers JMO. What a tragically mishandled case from the standpoint of the defense.
No writing on the wall but it sure stinks no matter how you look at it.
story updated one hour ago:
http://www.wesh.com/news/21532034/detail.html
Small Flies Could Be Big Evidence Against Anthony
UPDATED: 3:54 pm EST November 9, 2009
http://www.wesh.com/news/21532034/detail.html
lol sorry Renee
Niecey, When John inFL was out and blogging around the wordpress, he said that the ground was too hard for Casey to even dig up.
Hi ya Mand, I think it was Casey who was addicted to using the chloroform on Caylee. The poor little girl lived a terrible life!
Hi ya Tas! Good to see!
Wow, I have learned so much from this blog….My first thought on the discovery of the syring and the gatorade bottle was about the fingerprints. Another thought I had reading the interview with Diane Fanning (“Mommy’s Little Girl”, author) was her biggest question regarding this case, and that was who was Caylee’s dad? It would fit this case, with ups and downs, if someone actually would step up, get the DNA test and go sit down on the prosecutions side of the court room. It would take a real ‘man’, which Casey didn’t seem to really be attracted to, but I think it would be a good thing for Caylee, God rest her little soul. Do you?
Hey Mand! Thanks for sharing that! I think that answers a lot of questions. No need for sorry. That info helps.
I’m amazed by all of this. It’s beyond comprehension, how someone can do such. Poor Caylee…………….
Hey Boston! Thanks for the info! I can’t picture Casey working out, but it’s a possibility.
I do agree about the fingerprints. I think the defense has screwed up big time. I think we agree on that.
Hey Renee! Thanks for the tip! Very interesting!!!
Hey TAS! Thanks!!!
Hey Humble! I remember that, and he said she probably tried and quickly realized it wasn’t going to happen. I think that’s why she had her in the backyard, and then realized it wasn’t going to happen, so it was back to the trunk.
Hey Ivy’s Grama! Welcome!!! They did ask that they specifically look for prints, but the results were not there. I read what Diane said and it’s a good question and probably should happen, but at this stage if it hasn’t already, it probably won’t. It’s possible that Caylee’s Dad probably doesn’t know he’s Caylee’s Dad.
I’m still wondering why Cindy may have been looking up chloroform…as she has suggested….
Yeah, I guess I keep thinking that Casey had to be out of her mind because the murder is so unfathomable. Even with premeditation and fantasies of being free from Caylee and her parents…doesn’t mean the act actually gets carried out!!
So I reason that she must have been under the influence of something beyond her own delusions. However, the coldness of what she did simply explains who she really was or became. And it’s unfathomable.
Very calculated. If done immediately after the fight, then impulsive, but several hours later?? Premeditated.
Ideas, Cindy claimed she was looking up chlorophyll and may have accidentally looked up chloroform. I believe that was a cover up story.
Excellent points! It is unfathomable, no matter how you look at it. It’s something most don’t understand and really I’m not sure I want to.
Hi Niecey…Ideas …Boston and All…
I doubt KC was using Testosterone to pump up!!! She got her exercise in a different way and NOT IN A GYM… OR LIKE SETTING…THIS GIRL PREFERED TO BE IN A PRONE POSITION….as Mike B. said …Testosterone is used in. various ways combined with other drugs for sexual enhancement/endurance.
I seen Mike Galanos and JVM. tonight and none pointed out the Chlor.and Test. could have been used by KC for sexual pleasure…when KC was looking Chlor.up it could have been for this purpose but you would also see the dangers of using the drug and sometime the thought that it would sedate a person got the idea …it would be like putting a person to sleep.
Boston… Chloroform was used in the Hospitals as an anesthetic well into the mid 50s but was discontinued due to being so unpredictable.the results of the Chlor.is an ether like preforming drug..in the hands of the wrong person…DEADLY!!!
Ideas…
I think the only thing KC was under was the want of her freedom…that of Cindy and having to be responsible for Caylee. Cindy used Caylee to keep KC under her control…her one time friends did say she changed after becoming involved in the club scene…my feeling is…she wanted to be free of Cindy and Caylee was to much of a responsibility..she had no one to take care of Caylee…she didn’t work so no money to pay for babysitting…we know Tony didn’t feel Caylee should be around what went on in his apartment…these were college guys…they didn’t want a little girl around no matter how cute she was….they wanted the freedom to party whenever….if she gave Caylee to Cindy…Cindy would still have that control over her and she had talked about taking Caylee away from KC…and she didn’t want to put up with that hassle…so when they had the BIG FIGHT…she took Caylee with her…then she had to face what she was going to do with her….and if she wanted to continue living with Tony Caylee had to go…so she made it happen….SHE PUT HER TO SLEEP….she probably thought this was a humane way of doing it…JMO…
Hi Humble….Good to see you!!!!
How you doing girlfriend???????
Niecey, I’m thinking almost the same as you about how the murder transpired. Drugged, gagged, curled up in the fetal position and left to die in the trunk while her mom rented a couple movies for the evening!
You are so right that there’s a lot of evidence we still haven’t seen (latent prints, depositions, soil testing, bone and bone marrow testing and on and on). The State is releasing it a bit at a time as they are required by law to do. Obviously saving the most damning for last, although if there was not even one more scrap of evidence we have waaaay more than enough as it is.
I am confused about Leonard P. and Tracy. What do you make of them? Why are they so sad now? Why was he wondering if Tracy knew more than she was saying? Why was she sending Casey money in jail?
Do you think the defense knows what evidence the state has long before it is given to them or do they find out only days before we do?
Mand I agree with that. I can’t see Casey being the gym type person. I think you are most likely right on as to why she originally looked it up, and the warnings and that.
It is deadly, and especially in the wrong hands, as we can clearly see in this case. From what I’ve read they were losing patience with it even as professionals using it. I agree with the scenario, it was all about freedom. What a shame. She has no idea what a Blessing she threw away.
Bees, Isn’t that such a shame? I don’t understand how someone can be so evil hearted. Poor Caylee.
I agree about the evidence, there is much left, but based on what we’ve seen, I believe they can convict her.
I don’t understand the Padilla controversy. Don’t know much about it, so that doesn’t help.
The defense knows way before the public does. They help to choose what is released and what is not, from my understanding.
Spacely…
It’s very likely the seizure KC had in 07 was a result of some drug she took…but I doubt there would have been mental damage from a one time seizure…at least not one that would impair her judgment to this degree.
KC was changing this due to her new found friends and there way of life…KC was demanding more freedom and Cindy was demanding more responsibility from KC towards Caylee…KC resented her mother due to this and towards Caylee for …in her (KC) mind for being the reason. KC wanted to be with her friends and go to the clubs and do what they did….none of them had the responsibilities KC had…none of her friends were controlled by their mothers and some were younger than KC…this instilled an enormous amount of anger and hatred for Cindy…and for Caylee just because she was the cause…in KC’S minds eye.
If KC did inject Caylee with the chloroform …she would have thought it would be painless…that she would just go to sleep never to wake.
I don’t think she gave it a thought about the bottle and syringe ever being found so I don’t believe she was thinking about pointing the blame at some guy.
She was ignorant enough to think Caylee would never be found…or just plain did not think beyond
tossing her away…which is more probable….JMO…
It’s very likely true that, as LP said, Casey lives ten minutes at a time.
NIECEY & EVERYONE, “HELLO”!! I’ve been goin’ over this, PRETTY MUCH ‘ALL’ DAY!!( The ‘POSSIBLE’,'TRUTHFUL’ WAY, “CRAZEY” MURDERED GOD’S ‘ANGEL’ CAYLEE.) I MUST WARN YOU, (‘COURSE YA’LL KNEW, ITS NOT, NOT, NOT!! A ‘PRETTY’ PIC.!!) Anyway, do/have any of you, ‘fore seen:True crime shows on “COURT( NOW “TRUE”) T.V.??!! Most of which, being: “FORENSIC FILES”??!! Well, anyways, they’ve had some cases on their, that, ARE SIMILAR TO THIS ONE!! ( Like the Darla Routeir case, Susan Smith case, &the most recent one… Scott PETERSON case). Anyways, do you think, is it possible, that the: “White, ‘UNKNOWN’ substance, in the GATORADE bottle,” could be “CRAZEY” ‘S FEMALE C*M??!! (Like she ‘RAPED’/ ‘MOLESTED’ ‘ANGEL’ CAYLEE; ‘FORE MURDERING HER??!!:(
) In the “FORENSIC FILES” shows, many of the ‘RAPES’/ ‘MOLESTATIONS’, & THEN MURDERS; WERE COMMITED BY THE ‘PERPATRATOR’ ‘CUZ THEY HAD/HAVE A:DEEP, HIDDEN, ‘HATE’, FOR THEIR VICTIM/S!!
We’ve ‘RECENTLY’LEARNED,( READING THE DOCUMENTS, THAT “CRAZEY” FITS THAT ‘DISCRIPTION’/S- ‘PERFECTLY’!! HOWEVER, HERE’S ONE THING, WE DON’T KNOW… “CRAZEY” WAS BI-SEXUAL, I THINK!! BECAUSE, in that one pic. w/ her, & ‘ANGEL’ CAYLEE, it shows a POSTER of a:’SCANTLY-CLAD’ FEMALE!! ( That POSTER, was in “CRAZEY”‘S BEDRM, WASN’T IT??! ) Then, if you reamem., @ that one party ( or those ‘PARTIES’!!) she’s ‘UNDERNEITH’ a FEMALE,( BTH, ARE ‘SCANTLY’ CLAD, MIND!!) & IT SEEMS; SHE’S CHCKING OUT her privates!! COULD IT BE, THAT ‘ANGEL’ CAYLEE ‘THREATNED’ to tell on “CRAZEY”; to ‘C’, & ‘G’??!! ( ‘Cuz, that video we’ve seen of ‘ANGEL’ CAYLEE, DEPICTED A:”VERY SMART FOR HER AGE”!! CAYLEE!!) “CRAZEY” TRICKS ‘ANGEL’ CAYLEE, to come w/ her, & ‘SLAUGHTERS’ ‘POOR’, ‘ANGEL’ CAYLEE!! ( But, NOT ‘FORE MOLESTED/RAPING HER!!
) IF THATS WHAT ‘INDEED’ HAPPENED, “THEE ‘UN-KNOWN’, WHITE SUSTANCE”, COULD VERY WELL BE ( HOPEFULLY, MIND!!
) THE NAILS IN “CRAZEY”‘S ‘UP-COMING’COFFIN, & HER ‘SHROUD’!!
“TOTAL”/ “GOD’S” JUSTICE FOR ‘ANGEL’ CAYLEE!!!!!!!!!!
TINA-
Lee’s girlfriend Mallory is supposed to be deposed this Thursday. And Dominic Casey as well on the same day. These should be interesting to read, I hope they will be released before too long!
http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/09/prosecutors-to-question-two-in.html
Hiya my l♥velies…excellent comments by all…one extra thing worth contemplating is that Caylee may have told Cindy “something” during the journey on Fathers Day.
Maybe this was part of the fight on the 15th June…the one that Cindy really really doesn’t want us to know about.
Hi Ostella…like you I had to clear my “cookies” so that now I am able to see all the correct avatars…I really missed Bee’s Bee for about a week…glad to see it back on my screen
The only problem is that wordpress won’t notify me of follow up comments by email unless I re-register. Tried to do that…no joy…they even sent me a new password for ozzyjill…it didn’t work. So for now I will just have to hope that my comments show up…please let me know…thanks
Hugs ♥♥♥
“AND WHEN, “HUMPTY- CRAZEY” FELL, NOBODY COULD/ WOULD PUT THE PIECES BACK TOGETHER AGAIN!!
( ‘CUZ, SHE BELONGS IN HELL!!) “CHEERS”!!
TINA-
Good Morning Everyone!!!
Mand, I do think it was about freedom from her mother’s control, and from responsibility, but I do think that her changing so drastically while it was at a time when she was doing all the partying. I think part of what was happening was a mental divide. Most people that have certain personality disorders do change around her age. I really believe in Casey’s case, it was a combination of things. I do think the drugs contributed, as did her mother’s control. I do agree that she didn’t think anyone would find Caylee. I think that girl really believes most people buy her lies,and I think she believes that most people are stupid. She feels superior.
I think so Bees. She doesn’t look at what will happen as a result of anything. She sees no consequences to her actions.
Tina, I understand what you are saying, but the “unknown substance” in the Gatorade bottle was chloroform and steroids. It had a needle and syringe in it that contained the same mixture. That was shown in the document dump.
I wouldn’t doubt any sexual hang ups of Casey’s and I know what pics you are talking about, but I think she plain and simply injected that baby, duct taped her mouth, and threw her in the trunk, and left her until she died. JMO.
Thanks WB! I know D. Casey has been fighting to keep from having to do that, and I’m not sure what the results are, but I think he will have to face some questioning. Mallory will be interesting.
Jill, That is a possibility. Hmmmm………. That’s a very good possibility!
I’m sorry you’ve had so much trouble with all of that. The good news is You are showing up! HUGS!!!
NIECEY, Yes, your probs right!! ( I WAS & AM LOOKIN’ @ ‘ALL’ POSSIBILITY’S , I guess, of what COULD of happened!!) Thus, it sounds to me(doesn’t it to you, & others??!!) like this( REALLY!!) : “CRAZEY”‘S MOTIVE/S for MURDER: 1/ ‘ANGEL’ CAYLEE WAS : “A SWORD IN HER FLESH” LAYMEN’S TERMS: “IN THE WAY” 2/ “CRAZEY” HAD HER PRIORITIES ‘TOOOOOOTALLY’ WRONG!! ( She wanted to be one of SATAN’S: “PARTYING WH***S”!!) When she SHOULD HAVE BEEN A: “DOTING, LOVING, YOU COME FIRST ‘ANGEL’ CAYLEE!!” MOTHER:!! 3/ ‘THEE’ EVIDENCE IS STACKED SOOOOOOOOOOOO, ‘INCREDIBLY’, AGAINST “CRAZEY”, NO ONE!!( YES, THAT MEANS YOU, “BOABBA”/ ‘BOZO’ & ‘JABBA-THE-HUT’ COMBINED!!
“HEE, HEE, HEE, HEE…” CAN SAVE HER: “LYING, MURDEROUS, A$$”!!!!!!!
“CHEERS”, FOR ‘ANGEL’ CAYLEE !! TINA- (P.S., JILL, How are you??!! ‘FINE’ I HOPE!!
‘SORRY’ TO HEAR YOUR HAVING ‘SOME’ PROBS W/ WORDPRESS!! ( I HOPE ‘EVRYTHING’ TURNS OUT FOR YA, A.S.A.P.!!:)
I’SURE’ LOVE THE PICS OF YOUR KOALA/S; YOU SHARED W/ ME!! ( WHAT’S HIS/HER NAME??! LET ME KNOW A.S.A.P., ‘PLEASE’!!
“THANK- YOU” IN ADVANCE!! TINA-
Jose’s comments on the latest docu-dump below:
Well, ladies and gentlemen, it’s like this. The sheriff’s office and the state attorney want to play this game and show their power, well that’s what happened. I’m trying to defend my client, but I am having a hard time because of all these law enforcement leaks. Just last Friday, they leaked tons of new stuff to the media that is all garbage.
It is ridiculous to tie an old Gatorade bottle and a used syringe to my client. She doesn’t even drink Gatorade. Never has, never will. She doesn’t like the way the sugar collects in the bottom of the bottle. Grosses her out, so no way this was her bottle. And the only time she has ever used a needle was to darn her father’s old socks, which she did every Saturday night until she was incarcerated.
Now, I know there are a lot of people out there that don’t want a Hispanic lawyer to succeed on the biggest case of any Hispanic lawyer’s career in this country.
So, I am going to set the record straight. The bottle was Jesse’s. When KC went to Blanchard Park, Zanny and her sister knocked her down and grabbed Caylee. Now, KC has a lot of fight in her, I could tell you some stories from the office – but that is for a more adult setting. Anyway, she jumped up to go after them, but Jesse was there injecting steroids. With his new huge muscles bursting through his shirt, he held her back while Zanny made good her getaway.
I know this is a hard thing for some people to believe, but my client is innocent. She wants her day in court. She wants to tell her story. And I just think it’s wrong the state can leak anything they want and call it sunshine.
Hey Spacely! LOL!
And Jesse spilled some of it on her and it must have been a miracle but for a time she grew into what appeared to be a perfect 10 superhero, and then (Wouldn’t you know it?) when she got away from him Ricardo popped up with his steroids and fought her off yet again. Bozo knows this as he witnessed the whole thing. He was having a family picnic, swimming with the gators, and such. Luckily he had his handy dandy camcorder and filmed it, but sadly Wally Gator jumped up and grabbed it, so he’s filing a motion to have Wally Gator give back his camcorder with the video in tact. Take his word for it.
Great thoughts Niecy, as usual!
Thanks Azrenee!
Spacely, You’re right in your puppetry defense.
I think that the main problem that all of us bloggers have in looking at this case is…that we all come to the table with pre-conceived NOTIONS, as Cindy puts it.
We should all just clear our minds and wait to hear Casey’s side of the story. And believe her.
Padilla and his office may have been so somber in reaction to info of Caylee death because he had to chose how to play their roles: shocked? somber? confidant in past assessments (“We told you so..”)? And he chose somber.
Maybe they are just that compassionate, having been there with her fam, hoping for the best for Casey…not that she didn’t do it, but that she would be THIS cold and calculating….
“There’s something wrong. I found my daughter’s car today, and it smells like there’s been a Grund in the d@mn car!!!”
Ideas, I just don’t think I can ever believe a thing Casey says. I can listen to her side of the story, but as Judge Strickland so eloquently put it, “The truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers”. I’ve been waiting for that trial with all of that explanation, but by the time it gets here, I’m afraid the defense is going to be telling some really tall tales that won’t fly. They freely admitted they have no defense because of the charges. What??? All I’m saying is I hope they’ve got something better than the foolishness they’ve been dishing out, cause if not, Casey is getting the needle.
As for Padilla and the gang, I don’t believe they have any compassion for the A’s at all, but I think you hit it right that they had 3 choices in response and that was the one they chose.
LOL! Spacely, If that would fly, Cindy would change that call to say that.